Who Killed Fel

Posted by tsorovan’m’hael on 22.01.01 00:00

It is obvious that Fel found out how to cleanse the taint, in breaking the seals. This would definitely be something that the Great Lord would not want accomplished so he must have this man killed. But who would understand the knowledge that Fel had learned and kill him? Moridin of course. Being Ishamael reborn and knowing that Ishy was a philosopher, having his champ take out this upstart would be perfect. But this would mean that Moridin has access to a gholam, which we know that Sammael had in Ebou Dar. Now Moridin has one too, and it was last sighted in Caemlyn. Rand had better watch his back.

wotmania says: I have to agree with all that. With gholam running around I have to ask - why hasn’t one come after Rand yet?


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About Fel

Posted by caesar on 06.05.01 00:00
I must say that there is a lot of stuffs that sounds odd about Fels death.
First: Why send a gholam? Its not needed. A gray man could have done the job much easier.
Second: How did the dark one know about Fel. That means there have to be spies or darkfriends on Rand schools. Is the dark one planning to use the discoveries for his own?

If I was a Forsaken I certainly wouldn't send a Gholam after Rand....

Posted by SharonToggle on 02.08.01 01:19
There aren't that many Gholam, right? Well, why would you send one after Rand? He'd prolly just balefire it, and then you'd be down a Gholam. Much better to go after the easier meat, right? Fel would have been a pretty good target, and he wouldn't have been able to fight back. And now Rand's lost his favorite scholar/philospher-type guy. 'Sides, whoever kills the Dragon Reborn gets to be Nae'blis, right? Why would the Forsaken want a Gholam to be named Nae'blis? I think they all want the glory of killing Rand for themselves.


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To Sharon about balefiring a gholum

Posted by AIELSEIADOON on 26.08.01 15:44
He would not be able to balefire the gholum. The weaves would just melt off of him. The one power cannot touch a gholum. The weaves just melt away without any effect, just like on Mat when he is wearing his foxhead necklace.


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why hasn't gholam come after rand

Posted by daidaishar on 05.09.01 18:28
we know that Mat's medalion hurt the gholam in Ebon Dar (sp?) but what if it wastn't the medalion but mat. We know that gholam are compleatly unnatural to the pattern and probably have some effect on it. Ta'veren also have an effect on the pattern and might beable to hurt the gholam by focussing it into one object (such as mat's medalion). Why didn't his knives and spear work too then you may ask. Well, because the Gholam had beaten a large group of channelers it was obvious to Mat it was not what it seem and probably made with the Power. Mat's subconscious didn't think his whepons would be any good but he trusted his medalion and used that as a focus point. Rand's subconscious probably trusts his sword the most (at first his channelings during battle where just to form a sword) which might be leathal to the gholam. So the forsaken don't want to risk there prcious gholam.

why hasn't gholam come after rand

Posted by daidaishar on 05.09.01 18:28
we know that Mat's medalion hurt the gholam in Ebon Dar (sp?) but what if it wastn't the medalion but mat. We know that gholam are compleatly unnatural to the pattern and probably have some effect on it. Ta'veren also have an effect on the pattern and might beable to hurt the gholam by focussing it into one object (such as mat's medalion). Why didn't his knives and spear work too then you may ask. Well, because the Gholam had beaten a large group of channelers it was obvious to Mat it was not what it seem and probably made with the Power. Mat's subconscious didn't think his whepons would be any good but he trusted his medalion and used that as a focus point. Rand's subconscious probably trusts his sword the most (at first his channelings during battle where just to form a sword) which might be leathal to the gholam. So the forsaken don't want to risk there prcious gholam.

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Posted by Walruss on 10.09.01 09:50
No, i thin Mat's medallion hurt the Gholam because they are the same thing, basically anywy. Only something like the Gholam could hurt it, if you get my point.



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Lay their muzzles in your lap
And the lions that they led you to
Lie down and take a nap

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Gholam and the Power

Posted by MoelBrain on 30.09.01 17:12
I think that the Gholam draw on the power. The Weaves don't melt off of them but are absorbed by them. The reason mat's medallion hurt it was because it "killed" the power in that one spot. If a gholam entered a stedding it would probably die.


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It was a Gholam

Posted by DragonFiend on 20.10.01 21:37
It was a gholam, but it does not really matter who sent him.

why the gholom hasn't killed rand

Posted by dedrah sedai on 08.11.01 01:38
we don't know alot about the gholom justthat there were 6
made 3fm 3m and that they can't be hurt by channeling.maybe
the female gholom can only kill male channelers and male
gholom female channelers and so far theres only been male
shown to us.

Maybe there isn't a Gholam for Rand.

Posted by silva on 22.04.02 08:34
We're kind of deviating from who killed Fel on this thread and why but let me just mention that the current Gholam on the loose survived from the breaking courtesy of a Stasis pod (or whatever they are called). Potentially there are no other Gholam in existance anymore (remember there were only six ever made as far as I can remember).

This brings me to my own theory on the Gholam, correct me if I am wrong but of the six Gholam, weren't they 3 male and 3 female. I suspect the Gholam work on the same basis as the difference between Saidin and Saidar. A male gholam is immune to Saidar (we know this for certain), but is it immune to Saidin???? Thus making a male gholam specifically targeted at female channelers and a female gholam would be targeted at male channelers. If the other gholams didn't survive like the one in Ebou Dar then Rand is safe from that angle.

Doh

Posted by silva on 22.04.02 09:12
Apologies to dedrah sedai, thought I'd read all the posts in this thread....Dunno how I missed yours.
Apologies for reiterating what you'd just said.

Fel is not dead!

Posted by Ron T on 10.07.02 23:52
I could be wrong but I do not remember that it was actually confirmed Fel. Just a body ripped to shreds in Fel's study.
Time will tell.


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"The real world as in dreams, nothing is quite what it seems."

"There can be only one."

Hmm

Posted by Buazag on 25.04.03 12:39
That is an interesting hypothesis regarding the gholam. If the males can only be hurt by saidin and the females by saidar then it makes them far better characters in my opinion. The appearance of the gholam kind of scared me a little bit to be honest. The existance of a creatue that is immune to the one power and can't apparently be hurt by conventional means AND can squeeze itself through any tiny little hole.....well that just seems a little too powerful to me.

It made no sense to me that a forsaken had control of one of these creatures (how that is possible is another question...why would a being this powerful listen to a forsaken who couldn't harm it?) and yet didn't send it out to kill Rand, Mat, Perrin, and whoever else popped up to get in the way of their world conquest plans. I know that someone (don't know who) sent it after Mat and Nynaeve but it was a half hearted attempt at best. There has been ample opportunity for it to do it's work but hasn't shown it's face much. So far I have pretty much looked on the reason there as being the almighty literary "just because". It seemed to me that Jordan maybe realized he had introduced a shadow controlled power that was unbalancing in its power and had to therefore limit it's occurence in the books even if he didn't give any real reason. I mean just how many ways are there to describe some crazy way that the "heroes" escape from this thing that they have no chance of actually beating?

If this Gholam chasing Mat atm shows itself to be vulnerable to an asha'man that would bring it back in line balancewise. If not I am curious to see how Jordan deals with it. Mat has the only thing so far known to cause it any harm at all and even that is merely a burn....what is he going to do...somehow make the gholam eat the medallion? The only other possibility I suppose is that his spear which also comes from the foxes can harm it as well....can't remember off the top of my head if that was tried or not but I don't think so. That would make sense and at least would also make for a good fight that would be believable when Mat won.