A New Dark One

Posted by David on 21.01.01 00:00

Okay, here is a little rambling of my own. Given the series’ title, I assume that there will be no LAST battle, only a great battle repeating itself over and over. Yet, all we can say we know about it sums up in what Ishamael told Lews Therin at the very beginning: they fought each other countless times. So I think their two souls keep being reborn again and again. But this does not imply anything about the Dark One! So I think it is possible that at the end of Tarmon Gai'don Rand destroys (balefires?) the Dark One, but some other character steps out of the Pattern and becomes the new chief symbol of the Shadow, and the Dark One Rand would destroy at the next turning, etc...

Moreover, we can remember Ishamael stating that Lews Therin sometimes served the Shadow. Why not suppose then that these times Elan Morin was the champion of the Light (I know, I myself find it hard to believe!)? But it becomes less absurd when we remember a circle of thirteen channelers plus thirteen Myrddraal can turn anyone to the Shadow. What if in a past life this happened to Elan Morin? Then he could be "Healed" from it, thus becoming good again (Supposing he once was!) while Rand will become evil.

But back to my "new Dark One" theory. Who would be the next? Well, I think it would be a fitting destiny for Padan Fain/Mordeth who is more and more becoming a "something" inhuman, a sort of evil superpower not submitting to the present Dark One. So imagine at the end Fain as the Dark One, Rand as Nae'blis and Ishamael (Who, I think now Moridin.) as the champion of Light! THAT would be unexpected!

By the way, here is another little theory. I think Jordan took in his book elements from St. John's Apocalypse (Last Battle, Dragon, Seven Seals....). But in WoT the Dragon is the good guy. Well, if we keep this idea, we could remember there is a crucial character, supposed to kill the Dragon in the Apocalypse: the young boy whose birth is described in the text. I have read somewhere someone pointing at this, and saying maybe this boy would be Morgase's son and Rahvin's, remembering Rahvin's other name, Gaebril, who looks a twin brother to Gabriel who told the Virgin she would bear the Christ. But I have another theory about it: why would the mother not be Lanfear?! In the Apocalypse, the mother is said to be standing on the Moon, clad in the Sun with a crown of stars. Lanfear has symbols of the moon and stars in her hair and is dressed in white, color of the Light of which the Sun is a symbol. Who could then be the father? Well, no idea! Maybe Rand, or a creature from the world of the Aelfinn and Eelfinn....

wotmania says: Wow, you touched on a lot of points with this one... First off, I think it is possible that Fain might be the "next Dark One." Sort of like Sauron took over for Morgoth after he got the axe... Somehow I do not think we will see Rand fighting for the Shadow and Ishamael/Moridin fighting for the Light in this particular turn of the Wheel. I do not really know what to say about the last bit there, except I doubt it could be a child of Morgase and Rahvin seeing as Morgase has not really showed any sign of being pregnant - and I think she has been out of Andor long enough where she would have by now.


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Maybe, maybe not

Posted by Fenrar on 13.12.01 09:41
A lot of people have discussed what the DO is exactly. Mostly, it boiled down to the DO being an entity *outside* the Pattern. Thus having no thread to be burned out and not being an actual person.
Because of that, it would be unlikely that Fain becomes the next DO, seeing as how he has a thread and everything.

1st spoke: post-breaking
2nd spoke: AoL
3rd spoke: the Bore
4th spoke: post-Bore
5th spoke: Last Battle (not the Last, but a pretty bad time anyway)
And then it returns to the first spoke.

I know I'm missing two, but I can't really come up with those...
Any ideas?


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Posted by The Dragon Lews TheRIN on 28.05.02 23:26
Tarmon Gaidon= LAST BATTLE. RJ wouldn't write about 1 meaningless turning of the Wheel of Time. Rand will kill the Dark One for good, possibly break the Wheel itself, and there will be no repeatings, time and time again, of the Dragon's war against the Shadow. Fain will not take the place of the dead Dark One, because there is only one Dark One, has always been only one Dark One, and both Shai'tan and Fain are going to die at Tarmon Gaidon.


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I doubt it, but it's an awesome theory

Posted by DaShain107 on 30.06.02 20:15
I doubt the part about Rand changing to the dark. And I think that the last battle will be the LAST battle. No more turning of the wheel I think. But I also remember RJ saying something in an interview about not completely resolving the storyline at the end, which will drive me crazy, so who knows. It would be cool though if Fain becomes a sort of new dark one, but I have been looking forward to Rand finally slaughtering that annoying guy.

RJ doesn`t use other people`s work.

Posted by Selenbal on 12.09.02 05:05
RJ does read a lot of books (according to himself).
But I do not think he would use what other people have written. And definitely not to the extent you describe. Just because the names are similar, doesn`t mean anything else is. With so many books in one world and only humans to write them, it is only natural with some similarities. Just because another author has written something, doesn`t mean RJ will do the same.

And where is the similarity between Gabriel and Gaebril?

RJ doesn`t use other people`s work.

Posted by Selenbal on 12.09.02 05:05
RJ does read a lot of books (according to himself).
But I do not think he would use what other people have written. And definitely not to the extent you describe. Just because the names are similar, doesn`t mean anything else is. With so many books in one world and only humans to write them, it is only natural with some similarities. Just because another author has written something, doesn`t mean RJ will do the same.

And where is the similarity between Gabriel and Gaebril?

LOL

Posted by RJordan on 12.09.02 13:17
Oh my. I have never flamed anyone in any board that I have ever been in. Until now. Did you read the Cliff Notes on these books or did you just jump around without really reading what you were looking at?

The only topic that you hit on that may have a bit of sense is that about PF becoming tha DO. IF the DO is somehow killed off, which I kind of doubt, somebody must replace him. Life is nothing without the conflict of good v evil so there MUST be a DO.

But the rest of it? Wow. I have not seen that much manure since the time I visited my cousin's farm. I would give you credit for having some imagination, but like you said that all came from the plot of other books. If I did not like this series so much I would just let it go, but something this... this dim-witted is insulting to both the author and the books themselves.

My apologies to anyone who is even remotely offended by my post (except the author of this thread).

Sucky theory

Posted by eviltwin750 on 07.05.03 18:16
Dear Person,
this was a sucky theory. A new Dark One! That is dumb. Ishmael wouldn't turn good, Fain isn't powerful enough to become the Dark one and rand isn't Evil. Plus the last Part about the moon and stuff was just dumb. You theorists must think and imagine way to much. Jeez... Aren't I a good critic!

eh, good, but mostly bad.

Posted by sabin on 18.02.05 09:08
do you want the bad news or the good first? good? TOO BAD

majoritally, i didn't really like this theory. see what might eventually be posted (i hope) my theory; 'the wheel will always turn' i talk a bunch about how the wheel will always turn (hence the title) it happened once, so it will ALWAYS happen. this is just one particular turning of the Wheel. rj simply wrote about it because he had to choose one of them. Oh yeah, how many idiots does it take to realize... THE DARK ONE CAN'T BE BALEFIRED!!!quite a few, it seems.

on a good note, i half agree with how ishy_could_have been turned evil once upon a time. interesting, but probably wont happen.


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