To Everything Turn, Turn, Turn

Posted by Quennith on 21.01.01 00:00

Sorry, but I thought this was rather obvious. Robert Jordan says over and over again throughout the books that there are only seven Ages that just get cycled through. I mean, c'mon, it starts out all of the books, "The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again." The "third" Age has already happened and will happen again! That's one of the main themes of the story! How did you guys miss it?

wotmania says: Well, I (and everyone else who thinks this way) certainly realize that every book starts out saying that the Wheel keeps turning and turning... But right now there are a lot of things Rand is doing (like the creation of his schools) which could potentially lead the way to a world more like our own. And personally, the biggest thing going in favor of this theory (at least to me), is that it will prevent Rand, Aviendha, and Elayne from outliving poor Min by about 600 years. I am not absolutely sure this is what I think, but I would not be at all surprised if Tarmon Gai'don ends and the True Source has disappeared.



Posted by Cazzar on 12.11.01 18:09
I would not put it past Jordan to start every book like that just to get us thinking that, then boom the One Power is gone and the Age of Science is ushered in.

They call me the Fireman

Min will live a long life too

Posted by Bradley on 12.12.01 02:06
Seeing as how Min is bonded to Rand the same way a warder is bonded to an Aes Sedai, and seeing as how Vandene? I believe, is about 170 or so years old and still has the same warder I would wager that warders live almost as long as their bonded aes sedai do. We know that the lose of a warder and vice versa is terribly tramatic on either person when one dies, do you think that an Aes Sedai would bond a warder knowing that he would die WELL before she did and she would have to suffer with that loss?
I dont think so.

Actually, they bonded the other way

Posted by Raistlan on 15.01.02 00:14
Rand is bonded to Elayne, Aviendha and Min as their "Warder." I don't think there's any evidence that Warders give their bonder longer lives directly [obviously besides protecting them from getting killed early].

I think you may have me confused with someone else.


Posted by LordKiev on 10.03.02 13:47
Okay, #1: RJ has said that there will be the possibility, to cite one fan, of "bringing back all the dead guys and doing it again." He dislikes series that are "over". Now, if you look, the AoL is basically our society, advanced, with the OP instead of electricity (no need to find electricity). The academies were an idea from LTT and the AoL. Take our world, advance it, and make it peaceful, and that's the AoL.

Just a slight comment rewarding the turning of the wheel

Posted by Lord Foul on 21.03.02 11:30
In one of the books (probably the guide as I have read that more recently than the rest) it states that each time the wheel turns fully the next turning will be slightly different, further from it's original design, we have(read as I assume) to then assume that this has all be going on for a VERY long time and that the wheel may well be wobbling severly and that the pattern now bears very little resemblence to it's original design.

In which case anything can happen, and I believe that this is the premise on which everyone has been baseing(sp?) their theories.

what? sorry,.....I'd stopped listening.

It's All A Cycle

Posted by Vaebn on 05.11.02 11:39
In Lord of Chaos, Chapter 18, Harid Fel has a conversation with Rand that, as far as I'm concerned, puts this whole issue to rest. The Wheel of Time spins through seven ages, and since the Age of Legends is just one age before the Third Age (I think... or maybe two?) that means there are five whole Ages to go until the Age of Legends comes around again.

We also know that historical memory has a range of about two ages - so by the time the AoL is just about to arrive again (so we're at the end of the first age), the only knowledge existing about any age will be regarding the first and seventh ages, just as in Randland there's information regarding the second and third ages. Even if we allow for the possibility that during some ages more knowledge about the Wheel is known, the fact remains that 'even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again'.

Harid Fel says that there must be ages on the opposite side of the wheel that no one knows anything about - and our modern-day Earth could very well be one of those ages. If Tarmon Gaidan comes to pass, perhaps the One Power is indeed lost to humanity - or perhaps this disaster happens in the fourth age, or the fifth age, completely removed from the stories, and our Earth is the seventh or first age. This would mean, of course, that at some point in OUR future (and, by extension, our past) the One Power would have to be DISCOVERED again and likely used to slowly issue in the Utopia that is the Age of Legends - allowing for the discovery of the Dark One and starting the whole cycle again.

Bottom Line: The Age of Legends could be as far removed from our Earth as Randland is; there are seven whole ages around the wheel, and if we count our Earth as one, there's still four left as complete and utter mysteries.


Posted by RoGuEmOnKeY on 10.04.03 19:32
it might be that way, but i doubt it

They ran through the trees, and they ran through the forests,
They ran through the bushes where the beavers wouldn't go.
They ran so fast they forgot to take their culture,
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico...o...o
-The War of 1812

The other bit

Posted by the_gleeman on 28.06.03 03:37
You left out the most important bit of the quote (this is a paraphrase, but a close one):

"In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age long gone, an Age yet to come, a wind arose..."

It says it in the beginning of each book!